tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33921290551111841.post7483728255141473311..comments2023-09-14T14:40:41.974-07:00Comments on A Blog of Interest: World of Warcraft: Is Thori’dal Really That Legendary?Interesthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09389182364523437832noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33921290551111841.post-16691896857618219782012-07-15T19:41:40.545-07:002012-07-15T19:41:40.545-07:00Besides, even if that were true, Thori'dal was...Besides, even if that were true, Thori'dal was still a pretty terrible legendary with poor time of introduction (right between the deadzone of overpowered legendary that's usable in the next expansion and legendary that's usable in its final tier of endgame content), a sheer lack of lore, and a sheer lack of impact all around. =(Interesthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09389182364523437832noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33921290551111841.post-11648508797282963802012-07-15T19:40:05.868-07:002012-07-15T19:40:05.868-07:00Perhaps...but by that logic Benediction/Anathema s...Perhaps...but by that logic Benediction/Anathema should have also been orange. It would've been neat if R/L was a legendary but the fact of the matter is if we go down that road you could argue weapons like everything that drops off the Lich King or Madness of Deathwing, Revenge of Kalimdor, etc are legendary and so on. (semi-joking, but it is somewhat true).<br /><br />Speaking of the R/L quest I loved that a lot - wish I did it at 60 though...Interesthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09389182364523437832noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33921290551111841.post-69294953535999011222012-07-15T19:35:39.443-07:002012-07-15T19:35:39.443-07:00Obviously I meant orange name on R/LObviously I meant orange name on R/LAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33921290551111841.post-92174970016888181982012-07-15T19:16:49.641-07:002012-07-15T19:16:49.641-07:00Well yes, it brought hunters repair costs to the s...Well yes, it brought hunters repair costs to the same as everyone elses, which, at the point of early wrath/late BC I personally see as a pretty cool move.<br /><br />I agree completely in your thought on the hunter ammo making hunters responsible in some sort of way, and thori'dal was kind of the first step to remove that responsibility from the hunters.<br />That said, as a hunter, you would easily spend as much on gear repairs as you would on ammo, on a farm night of raiding, or straight up farming for 3+ hours, thats why I said it was "free", compared to how hunters worked if they always used their top-end ammo at all times.<br /><br />as for the twin blades - I agree that they were better designed than Thori'dal, but they still weren't amazing items, damage-wise they were good, but compared to the magic wand legendaries that blizzard created in Wotlk and cata, I do think that Thori'dal was a nicely designed item that was on par statswise, although they could have gone for a bow with some actual meaning.<br /><br />One thing I forgot to mention in my first post was, I personally see thori'dal as the second hunter legendary item in the game, although the first one was with purple text, Rohk and Lhok was pretty much close to being legendary, simply due to the quest chain behind it and all the things you had to go through to get this bow.<br /><br />Would life have been different if R/L had been purple with the same stats? if so, they would have been on par with thunderfury - If not even better... thats just my thoughts anyway :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33921290551111841.post-62103768383415807692012-07-15T16:45:20.911-07:002012-07-15T16:45:20.911-07:00Also on the part where Thori'dal made Hunter f...Also on the part where Thori'dal made Hunter farming free, it didn't. It just made them farm about as well as anyone else who didn't use reagents on their attacks and didn't get hit a lot, which pretty much means every other ranged dps (Mages, for instance). It only stopped ammo usage, but it didn't stop equipment from degrading over time from fighting.Interesthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09389182364523437832noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33921290551111841.post-46595635805321488962012-07-15T16:37:41.240-07:002012-07-15T16:37:41.240-07:00Nice, concise post, though I do want to respond to...Nice, concise post, though I do want to respond to it in parts.<br /><br />In regards to your first line, I tried to compare every legendary that was intended to be gotten in every conceivable way possible, hence why I compared in both ways, even if it is a bit "skewed."<br /><br />I don't really have much to say about your second paragraph. The point is correct and roughly matches what I said above, though I should've been clearer that Atiesh was only useful going into BC as opposed to during Vanilla (the latter of which is false).<br /><br />The third paragraph is incredibly accurate. Nothing to say about that, though I personally think the placement of Thori'dal wasn't a good idea, even if there was a massive hype over it.<br /><br />The fourth part I partially agree with, though I personally never liked the ammunition system much because while it added a sense of realism and responsibility, but the costs put them pretty close to the costs of maintaining equipment durability for plate tanks prior to Cataclysm, which was awful.<br /><br />As for the quality of legendaries, I actually partially disagree. While I'm not going to dispute the Vanilla legendaries were rather "poorly designed," the preceding legendary, which was the Twin Blades, was a pretty strong legendary and had a presence for a large amount of the Burning Crusade while also having some amazing lore surrounding it (but no pandas).<br /><br />On the final part, the PvP PoV is a bit of an afterthought, but at the same time I thought it was important to make the evaluation because whether legendary items are meant for PvE or for all endgame, most legendaries beyond the Vanilla ones had a great impact on the PvP endgame. Whether that's intended is up to the masses. Also the Sulfuras comment was sort of a joke, though I did hear Enhancement Shamans were a force to be reckoned with when using it no matter where it was.Interesthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09389182364523437832noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33921290551111841.post-32359361953583823832012-07-14T21:32:38.737-07:002012-07-14T21:32:38.737-07:00I love most of this post, however, there is a few ...I love most of this post, however, there is a few "minor" mistakes in my opinion... Most of your comparisons in legendaries, is a comparison to early content legendaries.<br /><br />Atiesh and thori'dal was basically the same (even if atiesh had a more legendary questline behind it) you could not complete Atiesh without killing Kel'thuzad.. you could not get Thori'dal without killing Kil'jaeden. One thing blizzard has ALWAYS said is "we want legendaries to get old", Atiesh didnt, because blizzard admittingly scaled the gear too little between vanilla and TBC, so thori'dal took the hit, and got nerfed to uselessness at raid level of WoTLK.<br /><br />Valanyr, Shadowmourne and all later legendaries had a use after you had collected them, because they were all possible to create through normal content, so the first shadowmourne didnt feel "wasted" the same way, most guilds got it, and still had a handful of heroic ICC bosses to progress through, the bonus damage from Shadowmourne made it easier, which is the same situation with Fangs of the Father - It could be created through normal-mode, so it helped guilds through heroic mode, This might get thori'dal to sound a bit bad compared to the others, but thori'dal was where it should be for the expansion, considering you did not have heroic gear at that point, although a quest to obtain it would have been nice.... however blizzard seemed to have issues with doing legendary quests in TBC (which, in my opinion was the Exps biggest downfall)<br /><br />I do feel sorry for hunters that they didnt get a GREAT legendary like rogues or casters have gotten lately, but the general quality of legendaries pre-wrath was lower, items were simpler and every legendary didnt have as much "magic wand" over it, I would personally love the whole not-needing-arrows part on a hunter, it would save you 1000g+ pr week if you didnt have a steady income arrows from somewhere, and even in the early wrath people still used it for farming, because it made farming free for hunters!<br /><br />And last but not least; I do appriciate you've decided to put legendaries in a PvP point of view; But the most hardcore of PvPers normally dont raid, the most hardcore of raiders dont PvP much - A legendary weapon is made for the PvE content of WoW, and although it might sometimes seem OP in pvp, a legendary doesnt have to be good in any way shape or form in PvP to be a good legendary, Sulfaras was never superb in pvp, but it was still a decent legendary for the time, thats my thoughts anyway :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33921290551111841.post-4125262465803922832012-06-08T16:39:56.136-07:002012-06-08T16:39:56.136-07:00You do make a good point, although equipment appea...You do make a good point, although equipment appearance can be largely subjective (for instance, there's always a lot of conflict over Hunter tier gear appearance). I did point out that the weapon model isn't technically "unique" since a certain NPC is suddenly using the weapon model over an expansion later without any sort of explanation (lore or otherwise). There are some exceptions with other legendaries as well, but in all the other cases, there is a good reason why a specific NPC had that weapon.<br /><br />Still a good point, though I personally think the weapon model itself is kind of nice.Interesthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09389182364523437832noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33921290551111841.post-63832065963801511732012-06-08T12:06:10.455-07:002012-06-08T12:06:10.455-07:00There's another aspect of a legendary, the app...There's another aspect of a legendary, the appearance.<br /><br />Thori'dal looks plain and boring, especially compared to the Golden Bow of Quel'Thalas which you can get from the Eredar Twins. Not only is this bow far easier to get, has higher maximum damage, and more critical strike rating but it has a more distinctive look as well.Zhennehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14931676920592370464noreply@blogger.com